Simon Fell > Its just code

Wednesday, March 13, 2002

.... The more difficult question is: what's not in this picture that should be? Also, from the communities perspective, what are the priorities for this stack? Which items should be done first? [Snell's Blog] The working tests / total boxes ratio scares me too much to look at it for too long :) In my mind authentication is missing, WS-Security covers sending some form of credentials (Kerberos token, x509 cert etc), but doesn't really cover how you got them in the first place. I'm not sure yet that doing authentication outside of web services, then trying to bundle the results inside a SOAP request is the way to go. The other major thing that's missing is some form of standardized store & forward reliable messaging transport, something like MSMQ or MQ series, I don't think that HTTPR is it. For me, those are the two things I keep wishing I could deploy today.
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Peter has a rant on the MS database/filesystem stuff.
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So the question should be: What is the full catalog of things that are still missing from the Web services picture? ... [Snell's Blog] Take a look at the Interop Forum Stack Powerpoint that Becky posted with her summary of the WSDL interop meeting
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Puzzle. What's missing from this sequence. "SOAP 0.9, 1.0, 1.1, SCL, SDL, NASSL, WSDL 1.0, 1.1." Clue. [Scripting News] I'm not sure what Dave wants me to think about XML-RPC, it was around well before the above list of specs, so wasn't part of that roller coster ride, neither does it have solutions for the other area's I mentioned.
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Web Services Moving Beyond the Hype [internet.com]
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Cooooool. In case it wasn't clear weblogs were The Next Big Thing[TM]: Alton Brown of Good Eats fame has a weblog. Then again, maybe that isn't such a good thing, considering how often I hear the "all you have on your Tivo is cooking shows" refrain. :-) [Trampolined Style] Peter recommended Good Eats to me a while back, I've been hooked every since!
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Question: what's next after Web services? [Snell's Blog] I've noticed that the pace in the WS world seems to have slowed considerably, early on there was a flurry of specs, SOAP 0.9, 1.0, 1.1, SCL, SDL, NASSL, WSDL 1.0, 1.1. Since WSDL 1.1, things have been much slower, In trying to actually design / build / deploy web services, I continuely run in issues that indicate there's still a long way to go [at least for the class of problems I'm involved in], standards are needed authentication, authorization, signing & encryption, most of these appear to be in the works (signing is now a rec), but progressing slowing, and with no real support from in the toolkits. For example, there's all the noise about Passport, yet still no version that I can use in a Web Service. The reality / hype gap still seems pretty large.
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Manufactured Serendipity. [Sam Ruby's Radio Weblog] A great write-up of why Sam blogs.
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